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	<description>What can we do about Peak Oil and climate change? The community is the solution.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Morin</title>
		<link>http://www.communitysolution.org/blog/?p=5&#038;cpage=1#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Morin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need some perspective.

Fossil fuel use is about 150 years old and automotive use about 100 years old. Look how absurdly, the personal automobile dominates our life and is destroying any hope for a future.

We need to deal with more than incremental adjustments from the modern automotive age. If we want to continue the many benefits of precious fossil fuels, the many opportunity costs of those fuels, to personal autoumobile usage, then we need to set as a goal (here in the USA) and realize it, to reduce the use of the personal automobile by 80% in the next 20 to 40 years.

It is not encouraging, because Obama explicitly stated the other day that the automobile is such an important part of American history and culture and needs to remain so. This is a statement of a myopic politician beholden to special interests.

If you&#039;ve never lived in the Northeast (USA)where much of the city, town, and village centers were built before the automobile, it may be hard to imagine a future with the greatly reduced automobile use, but it is very possible and absolutely desirable.

The key is the walkable neighborhood. That is, neighborhoods for everybuddy where everyone can get what they need within walking distance of their residence. This will take a major shift in the way that resources are allocated and products distributed to communitites. The major over-supply side mall outlets (for those products and services that have utility) could become regional warehouses and older town and village centers, where they exist could be explicitly brought back as outlets for these products. Where the town and village centers do not exist, such as here out West (I&#039;m in Eugene, Oregon), where the mindless assumption of the automobile has led to the mindless, endless residential districts with their equally alienating and squandering (strip) malls, communities could be rebuilt (think of all the jobs) to provide community centers and outlets.

Of course, this will not happen in the absence of a complete commitment to neighborhood/inter-community/inter-regional/worldwide ecological economic resource planning and allocation and redevelopment.

This Plan is too bold for American Politicians. This Plan is Socialism. With advances in communications technology, much progress, in the development of community centers, could help greatly increase the amount of tele-commuting that could help people work from and/or near their homes.

The resource allocation issue could be handled with a reformed economic system, an equity union, with a &quot;plan and implement&quot; modus operandi for economic operations. Reforming the financial system to take the fundamentally inflationary Capitalist aspect of &quot;discounting the future&quot; (i.e. assuming that money in the future will be worth less)could lead to a system of ecological economical redevelopment where only true growth in wealth would occur and be shared and could occur under the aegis of a mission emphasizing peace, equity, humanity, quality of life, and sustainability.

Removing the gluttonous oil resource use by the USA and Capitalist automotive oriented allies would slowly rescind the need for the  hegemonic occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and a world acting in concert would stand much better prospects for peace.

I&#039;m a Work kin for peace and cooperation.


With much love and care,

Mike Morin
www.peoplesequityunion.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need some perspective.</p>
<p>Fossil fuel use is about 150 years old and automotive use about 100 years old. Look how absurdly, the personal automobile dominates our life and is destroying any hope for a future.</p>
<p>We need to deal with more than incremental adjustments from the modern automotive age. If we want to continue the many benefits of precious fossil fuels, the many opportunity costs of those fuels, to personal autoumobile usage, then we need to set as a goal (here in the USA) and realize it, to reduce the use of the personal automobile by 80% in the next 20 to 40 years.</p>
<p>It is not encouraging, because Obama explicitly stated the other day that the automobile is such an important part of American history and culture and needs to remain so. This is a statement of a myopic politician beholden to special interests.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve never lived in the Northeast (USA)where much of the city, town, and village centers were built before the automobile, it may be hard to imagine a future with the greatly reduced automobile use, but it is very possible and absolutely desirable.</p>
<p>The key is the walkable neighborhood. That is, neighborhoods for everybuddy where everyone can get what they need within walking distance of their residence. This will take a major shift in the way that resources are allocated and products distributed to communitites. The major over-supply side mall outlets (for those products and services that have utility) could become regional warehouses and older town and village centers, where they exist could be explicitly brought back as outlets for these products. Where the town and village centers do not exist, such as here out West (I&#8217;m in Eugene, Oregon), where the mindless assumption of the automobile has led to the mindless, endless residential districts with their equally alienating and squandering (strip) malls, communities could be rebuilt (think of all the jobs) to provide community centers and outlets.</p>
<p>Of course, this will not happen in the absence of a complete commitment to neighborhood/inter-community/inter-regional/worldwide ecological economic resource planning and allocation and redevelopment.</p>
<p>This Plan is too bold for American Politicians. This Plan is Socialism. With advances in communications technology, much progress, in the development of community centers, could help greatly increase the amount of tele-commuting that could help people work from and/or near their homes.</p>
<p>The resource allocation issue could be handled with a reformed economic system, an equity union, with a &#8220;plan and implement&#8221; modus operandi for economic operations. Reforming the financial system to take the fundamentally inflationary Capitalist aspect of &#8220;discounting the future&#8221; (i.e. assuming that money in the future will be worth less)could lead to a system of ecological economical redevelopment where only true growth in wealth would occur and be shared and could occur under the aegis of a mission emphasizing peace, equity, humanity, quality of life, and sustainability.</p>
<p>Removing the gluttonous oil resource use by the USA and Capitalist automotive oriented allies would slowly rescind the need for the  hegemonic occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and a world acting in concert would stand much better prospects for peace.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Work kin for peace and cooperation.</p>
<p>With much love and care,</p>
<p>Mike Morin<br />
<a href="http://www.peoplesequityunion.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.peoplesequityunion.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.communitysolution.org/blog/?p=5&#038;cpage=1#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It takes time to develop engineering teams to make good quality small cars. If Honda and Toyota would stop development for five years, then maybe Detroit would be able to catch up. U.S. companies will make a few bad models and learn from them, the way most things are done.&quot;

Not true. GM and Ford are already building &#039;good quality small cars&#039; in Europe and competing  on even terms with European, Japanese and Korean makers in this market. 

They are not five years behind. All they need do - if they wanted to - is take what they already have and bring it to the US market. 

http://www.gm.com/europe/brands/chevrolet/matiz-spark/

http://www.ford.co.uk/ns7/ka/-/-/-/-/-/-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It takes time to develop engineering teams to make good quality small cars. If Honda and Toyota would stop development for five years, then maybe Detroit would be able to catch up. U.S. companies will make a few bad models and learn from them, the way most things are done.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not true. GM and Ford are already building &#8216;good quality small cars&#8217; in Europe and competing  on even terms with European, Japanese and Korean makers in this market. </p>
<p>They are not five years behind. All they need do &#8211; if they wanted to &#8211; is take what they already have and bring it to the US market. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gm.com/europe/brands/chevrolet/matiz-spark/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gm.com/europe/brands/chevrolet/matiz-spark/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ford.co.uk/ns7/ka/-/-/-/-/-/-" rel="nofollow">http://www.ford.co.uk/ns7/ka/-/-/-/-/-/-</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.communitysolution.org/blog/?p=5&#038;cpage=1#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat - I love your website and your thought process, esp. the focus on community for a solution to what ails us. I couldn&#039;t agree more. Your good analysis would be improved if it were to tie in the community aspect that inspires the rest of your website...buses make great sense from a community perspective. But cars were pitched as liberating, and an entire culture grew up around personal expression with cars. 

In fact cars are isolating and are a very inefficient means of transportation. Who really, really enjoys their commute anymore? 

The word &quot;bus&quot; derives from &quot;omnibus&quot; as in Latin &quot;for all.&quot; Early carriages were for private transport, and horse-drawn omnibus carriages were precursors to our modern buses. For many, they were an improvement over walking.

Our American aversion to buses is partly rooted in an aversion to community (we&#039;d have to slum with the poor folks) and partly an aversion to anything that&#039;s inconvenient (we&#039;d have to wait to be picked up, have to schedule ourselves). 

For buses to be on a level playing field with cars, we&#039;d need to add a very high penalty to driving. Gas is way too cheap, parking is way too cheap, roads are way too cheap. Make all those things more expensive, and watch buses get more popular. 

Take it a step further - improve bus operational practices (more routes, more frequent pickups - like in European cities) and watch buses get more popular. 

Take it yet another step - lower the speed limit for cars to 55 mph, have a separate lane for express buses, and sell &quot;speeding license tags&quot; for use of the left lane (75 mph) - make it a privilege to drive fast and save time, but make those who get that privilege pay for it, then use that money to subsidize other necessary changes to improve transportation problems. We need to be more creative and open to new ideas, challenge all of our assumptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat &#8211; I love your website and your thought process, esp. the focus on community for a solution to what ails us. I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Your good analysis would be improved if it were to tie in the community aspect that inspires the rest of your website&#8230;buses make great sense from a community perspective. But cars were pitched as liberating, and an entire culture grew up around personal expression with cars. </p>
<p>In fact cars are isolating and are a very inefficient means of transportation. Who really, really enjoys their commute anymore? </p>
<p>The word &#8220;bus&#8221; derives from &#8220;omnibus&#8221; as in Latin &#8220;for all.&#8221; Early carriages were for private transport, and horse-drawn omnibus carriages were precursors to our modern buses. For many, they were an improvement over walking.</p>
<p>Our American aversion to buses is partly rooted in an aversion to community (we&#8217;d have to slum with the poor folks) and partly an aversion to anything that&#8217;s inconvenient (we&#8217;d have to wait to be picked up, have to schedule ourselves). </p>
<p>For buses to be on a level playing field with cars, we&#8217;d need to add a very high penalty to driving. Gas is way too cheap, parking is way too cheap, roads are way too cheap. Make all those things more expensive, and watch buses get more popular. </p>
<p>Take it a step further &#8211; improve bus operational practices (more routes, more frequent pickups &#8211; like in European cities) and watch buses get more popular. </p>
<p>Take it yet another step &#8211; lower the speed limit for cars to 55 mph, have a separate lane for express buses, and sell &#8220;speeding license tags&#8221; for use of the left lane (75 mph) &#8211; make it a privilege to drive fast and save time, but make those who get that privilege pay for it, then use that money to subsidize other necessary changes to improve transportation problems. We need to be more creative and open to new ideas, challenge all of our assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Laird Towle</title>
		<link>http://www.communitysolution.org/blog/?p=5&#038;cpage=1#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Laird Towle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pat:

Thoughtful article.

How about using the auto workers and auto plants to build:

a) wind turbines - we need several million of them. They are technically comparable to automobiles. There is also a new design which is much more efficient. http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21737/?a=f

b) solar themal collectors for base load power. These are used to heat a fluid which runs a turbine. The hot fuild can be stored for hours which makes them suitable for base load power generation. They could be used to replace the coal boilers in conventional power plants thereby making them green, and eliminating our number one source of greenhouse gases. We need several thousand of them, and they are technically comparable to automobiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pat:</p>
<p>Thoughtful article.</p>
<p>How about using the auto workers and auto plants to build:</p>
<p>a) wind turbines &#8211; we need several million of them. They are technically comparable to automobiles. There is also a new design which is much more efficient. <a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21737/?a=f" rel="nofollow">http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21737/?a=f</a></p>
<p>b) solar themal collectors for base load power. These are used to heat a fluid which runs a turbine. The hot fuild can be stored for hours which makes them suitable for base load power generation. They could be used to replace the coal boilers in conventional power plants thereby making them green, and eliminating our number one source of greenhouse gases. We need several thousand of them, and they are technically comparable to automobiles.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.communitysolution.org/blog/?p=5&#038;cpage=1#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few points:

Domestic manufactures do make quality small cars, they just don&#039;t sell them in the USA.  Take a look at Ford&#039;s European car lineup to see what I&#039;m talking about.

You criticize the Chevy Volt, an almost production ready vehicle, but laud praise on the natural gas Camry hybrid, which is just a concept car at this point, and on a Toyota all electric commuter car that hasn&#039;t even shown up in concept car form yet.

It is a fact that GM is further along on PHEV technology than Toyota or Honda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few points:</p>
<p>Domestic manufactures do make quality small cars, they just don&#8217;t sell them in the USA.  Take a look at Ford&#8217;s European car lineup to see what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>You criticize the Chevy Volt, an almost production ready vehicle, but laud praise on the natural gas Camry hybrid, which is just a concept car at this point, and on a Toyota all electric commuter car that hasn&#8217;t even shown up in concept car form yet.</p>
<p>It is a fact that GM is further along on PHEV technology than Toyota or Honda.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Berry</title>
		<link>http://www.communitysolution.org/blog/?p=5&#038;cpage=1#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big automakers are structurally incapable of changing to make cars that satisfy a market segment that they don&#039;t understand, and can&#039;t make money from. I mean people who want economical compacts. For years GM has had to name-brand little cars they buy from Asia, and even lose money selling those. Clayton Christenson analyzed this in his book The Innovator&#039;s Dilemma. Worth reading if you want to understand why we cannot look to big established *anything* for innovation (including government). The kind of change we need has to come from the bottom up as people feel their way forward. Buying Japanese designs would be worthless because you can&#039;t buy the mindset, it must be learned, and probably the hard way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big automakers are structurally incapable of changing to make cars that satisfy a market segment that they don&#8217;t understand, and can&#8217;t make money from. I mean people who want economical compacts. For years GM has had to name-brand little cars they buy from Asia, and even lose money selling those. Clayton Christenson analyzed this in his book The Innovator&#8217;s Dilemma. Worth reading if you want to understand why we cannot look to big established *anything* for innovation (including government). The kind of change we need has to come from the bottom up as people feel their way forward. Buying Japanese designs would be worthless because you can&#8217;t buy the mindset, it must be learned, and probably the hard way.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://www.communitysolution.org/blog/?p=5&#038;cpage=1#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your ideas.  However, I might add that maintaining highways is also very expensive.  We could build some train tracks for less than what it will cost to replace highways.  
Here in Missouri, we&#039;re staring at the necessity of replacing I-70 with a behemoth designed to carry truck traffic separate from cars.  I think a good plan has to consider all options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your ideas.  However, I might add that maintaining highways is also very expensive.  We could build some train tracks for less than what it will cost to replace highways.<br />
Here in Missouri, we&#8217;re staring at the necessity of replacing I-70 with a behemoth designed to carry truck traffic separate from cars.  I think a good plan has to consider all options.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McKillip</title>
		<link>http://www.communitysolution.org/blog/?p=5&#038;cpage=1#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McKillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twenty two years ago I spent a couple weeks in Shoeffhausen Switzerland--business. We rode clean efficient buses and trains around town and between cities. Three years ago I rode around Matamoros for 50c on an old, but workable bus. It was actually fun!
I think your ideas regarding buses might well be a better future fix in our particular case (USA), logistically and financially, than hybrids and trains.
One big problem we have that cancels out a zillion great ideas is--&quot;the free market&quot;! GM, for whom I worked, made SUV&#039;s by the millions because THATS WHAT PEOPLE WANTED! Even if half or two-thirds of GM planners knew it was not future-feasible, GM would have already been defunct if they had converted to small fuel efficient machines even as late as 4 years ago. 
Great article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twenty two years ago I spent a couple weeks in Shoeffhausen Switzerland&#8211;business. We rode clean efficient buses and trains around town and between cities. Three years ago I rode around Matamoros for 50c on an old, but workable bus. It was actually fun!<br />
I think your ideas regarding buses might well be a better future fix in our particular case (USA), logistically and financially, than hybrids and trains.<br />
One big problem we have that cancels out a zillion great ideas is&#8211;&#8221;the free market&#8221;! GM, for whom I worked, made SUV&#8217;s by the millions because THATS WHAT PEOPLE WANTED! Even if half or two-thirds of GM planners knew it was not future-feasible, GM would have already been defunct if they had converted to small fuel efficient machines even as late as 4 years ago.<br />
Great article!</p>
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